Wilson apologizes for breach of protocol

Ethel C. Fenig
Listening to President Barack Obama's (D) speech before Congress was so annoying--to put it mildly--that I talked back to the tv. But I was at home, not in Congress, so that was ok.

But it was not ok for Rep Joe Wilson (R-SC) to shout "You lie" when Obama promised illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered under his proposals. You see, Wilson, as a member of Congress, was in the same hall as Obama. According to Brian Beutler of Talk Points Memo, Wilson has already issued a public statement apologizing for his rudeness. It is the least he could do.


"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill," Wilson said. "While I disagree with the President's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility."

The Democrats will certainly use that little outburst to their advantage.

Rick Moran adds:

Please note that Wilson did not aver that he is wrong, that illegal immigrants won't be included under Obamacare:

That's because he was dead on, 100%, right as Bill Jacobsen points out:

Technically, Obama was correct that his plan does not cover illegal aliens because Obama has no plan that has been released, only concepts. So if Obama says his plan doesn't cover illegals, then by definition it does not cover illegals -- at least until we see the language in his plan. Similarly, the Senate HELP Committee bill defines an "eligible individual" in numerous places throughout the bill to include only citizens and legal residents (including for the public option, at page 111 of the bill).

So using the two measures, the non-existent Obama bill and the draft Senate HELP Committee bill which was not a full Senate proposal, Obama was correct.

But if the standard is the full House Bill, HR3200, then it appears that Obama was incorrect. There is nothing in HR3200 that excludes illegal aliens from the various coverage provisions (with a few limited exceptions). The Congressional Research Service agrees with this assessment (full report embedded below). For example, with regard to health care exchanges, the CRS found:

H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens-whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently-participating in the Exchange.
Since the Obama administration wanted a full House vote passing HR3200 prior to the August recess, Obama was okay with a bill that included illegal aliens.

Was Obama a "liar" meaning that he had knowledge of the falsehood of the statement he made at the time he made it? Hard to say. Maybe Obama was playing word games like Bill Clinton did as to the definition of "is." Or maybe Obama simply was mistaken as was George Bush on WMDs in Iraq.

Even if you buy Bill's explanation, the practical effect of offering Obamacare will still mean that illegals will participate.

Why?

Because Democrats rejected Republican amendments that would have required people to show valid identification before being allowed to sign up: Ann Coulter

On July 30 of this year, a House committee voted against a Republican amendment offered by Rep. Nathan Deal that would have required health care providers to use the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program to prevent illegal aliens from receiving government health care services. All Republicans and five Democrats voted for it, but 29 Democrats voted against it, killing the amendment.

Yes, but I wouldn't make a big stink of it. The president is liable to "call you out" for your lies about his health care plan.
 


Listening to President Barack Obama's (D) speech before Congress was so annoying--to put it mildly--that I talked back to the tv. But I was at home, not in Congress, so that was ok.

But it was not ok for Rep Joe Wilson (R-SC) to shout "You lie" when Obama promised illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered under his proposals. You see, Wilson, as a member of Congress, was in the same hall as Obama. According to Brian Beutler of Talk Points Memo, Wilson has already issued a public statement apologizing for his rudeness. It is the least he could do.


"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill," Wilson said. "While I disagree with the President's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility."

The Democrats will certainly use that little outburst to their advantage.

Rick Moran adds:

Please note that Wilson did not aver that he is wrong, that illegal immigrants won't be included under Obamacare:

That's because he was dead on, 100%, right as Bill Jacobsen points out:

Technically, Obama was correct that his plan does not cover illegal aliens because Obama has no plan that has been released, only concepts. So if Obama says his plan doesn't cover illegals, then by definition it does not cover illegals -- at least until we see the language in his plan. Similarly, the Senate HELP Committee bill defines an "eligible individual" in numerous places throughout the bill to include only citizens and legal residents (including for the public option, at page 111 of the bill).

So using the two measures, the non-existent Obama bill and the draft Senate HELP Committee bill which was not a full Senate proposal, Obama was correct.

But if the standard is the full House Bill, HR3200, then it appears that Obama was incorrect. There is nothing in HR3200 that excludes illegal aliens from the various coverage provisions (with a few limited exceptions). The Congressional Research Service agrees with this assessment (full report embedded below). For example, with regard to health care exchanges, the CRS found:

H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens-whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently-participating in the Exchange.
Since the Obama administration wanted a full House vote passing HR3200 prior to the August recess, Obama was okay with a bill that included illegal aliens.

Was Obama a "liar" meaning that he had knowledge of the falsehood of the statement he made at the time he made it? Hard to say. Maybe Obama was playing word games like Bill Clinton did as to the definition of "is." Or maybe Obama simply was mistaken as was George Bush on WMDs in Iraq.

Even if you buy Bill's explanation, the practical effect of offering Obamacare will still mean that illegals will participate.

Why?

Because Democrats rejected Republican amendments that would have required people to show valid identification before being allowed to sign up: Ann Coulter

On July 30 of this year, a House committee voted against a Republican amendment offered by Rep. Nathan Deal that would have required health care providers to use the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program to prevent illegal aliens from receiving government health care services. All Republicans and five Democrats voted for it, but 29 Democrats voted against it, killing the amendment.

Yes, but I wouldn't make a big stink of it. The president is liable to "call you out" for your lies about his health care plan.