Forgery Revealed in Kos Publication of Obama 'Birth Certificate' (updated)

Gee, I wonder what B. Hussein is hiding. C'mon Barry, 'fess up! Don't be a John Kerry and hide important documents. Otherwise people will think ALL kinds of things....If you can't even come clean and have the stones to show us your birth certificate, what kind of president will you be, besides one of abject cowardice?

It doesn't matter where Obama was born. He mother was an American and so is he. It might be interesting to learn he was born in Indonesia or Kenya or France. But it doesn't matter.

Contrary to what the BO campaign has stated, his mother was raised from age twelve in Seattle WA and its suburbs until she left for Hawaii to attend college.
In addition, no record of her marriage or divorce has been made public.

So, conspiracy fans, what if the HI birth certificate shows not only Muslim, but an unwed mother?

BO's claim to his very name becomes suspect. It may be he's really Barrak Hussein Dunham.

That would make things a bit interesting wouldn't it.

"There is enough evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii to discount the idea he is not a "natural born" citizen. Other, even wilder theories are out there having to do with his real father and the citizenship of his mother."

You call them wild theories - research the legal requirements for the status of "natural born citizens" for the period in which he was born...1961.

Here's a good place to start:

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know

You need to go to page 2, to find the law from 1952 - 1986

Obama doesn't have to reveal the birth certificate for one simple reason: the people aren't asking for it. Those who are have already been portrayed in the press as right-wingers or neocons or something else.
At the risk of sounding like an Obama supporter: aren't we going overboard here? How long does Hawaii take to make a birth certificate public information? Is there a newspaper entry in a Hawaiian newspaper from the time he was born noting the birth? The hospital, if it still exists, would have a record of Mrs. Obama's stay. Obama doesn't have the only copy of his birth certificate. The state of Hawaii does as well.
While all this energy is devoted to finding out whether Obama was born in Hawaii or elsewhere we are neglecting other issues. It's almost hard to believe the Clinton campaign hasn't already pursued this issue. Obviously they weren't successful. The question is why? Why not ask Hillary or her campaign staff or major supporters about this issue?

It's a 'distraction' to someone who is of presidential timber; a welcome 'diversion' to someone who's otherwise.

Speculation abounds that the real certificate confirms that his biological father is a space alien, probably from Mars.

You are wildly optimistic. My guess is that the MSM will always ignore this issue, and it will be known about only by the blog-oriented cogniscenti. And we may well elect a Kenyan president. I wish I didn't think this, but I do. I just can't see the MSM asking about this issue.

as i have maintained from the start:

unless and until obama releases a copy of his actual birth certificate (and not a certificate of live birth), i will believe that this is a fake and that he is hiding something.

I think he was born in kenya! I do KNOW this! He is not we AMERICANS NEED IN THE WHITE HOUSE! I DON't believe anything he says!

I think he was born in kenya! I do KNOW this! He is not we AMERICANS NEED IN THE WHITE HOUSE! I DON't believe anything he says!

I know I've said this before about another issue, but it bears repeating:

Don't hold your breath waiting for SIXTY MINUTES to investigate this.

His full name is Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama. And his birth certificate will list his religion as Muslim. This is why the forged birth certificate is out there.

it's almost as frustrating as BUSH/CHENY hiding behind executive priviledge..

C'mon, folks! This is a nutty issue to pursue. Either Obama wasn't born in the US, in which case a law suit should be filed to find out for sure, in which case Obama's a bigger dolt than he appears to be running for president. Or, most likely, the truth is that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii and that his birth certificate proves it. His campaign may be allowing the right to make this into a big overblown issue that they'll easily clear up later in the fall, attempting to prove that the right is comprised of desperate lunatics trying to find baseless claims against the Messiah. So, either let's drop this one or, please, someone, sue whomever needs to be sued in order to get the facts out in the open.

Thank you Mr. Moran for keeping us informed. In my field of studies we do textual criticism of ancient manuscripts of documents, classifing them when possible into families according to the variants in the text. An analogous study of these many versions of the Obama/Hawaii Birth certificates can be done.

As an amateur with Corel Photo-Paint, I looked at the template that McKinnon/Openda provided. It shows the anomaly spot just as JimJ found, but also second one, on the right edge at the height of the word "SEX". Also, the scan is identical to the Kos image, to the point where if you superimpose the image, even the word "Oahu" and "7:24 PM" line up exactly in the same spot. This means conclusively that there is a family relationship between the blank template and the Barak Obama birth certificate. The question is if the template was made from the birth certificate, or if the birth certificate was made from the template.

The Kos version of the Obama birth certificate image shows further image idiosyncrasies, including the "seal" (when you detect edges), the date stamp "Jun 6, 2007", a apparent crease, below the word, "Honolulu"), the blanked out area where the certificate number goes, and it was completed with the rest of the information about Obama's birth. If Opendna purged the Birth Certificate of these features, then he did a clever job. My experience with cloning out material is that it takes a long time and that it is nigh on impossible to clone material without it leaving traces.
My tentative conclusion is as follows: Opendna made the "birth certificate" from a scan of a blank birth certificate. He later provided the "template", from a partially completed forgery that he saved onto his computer. I will show my theory from in the following family tree/stemma (subject to revision based upon further discoveries):

O = Original scan, not available
B = Birth certificate on campaign Website
K = Kos Version
T = Opendna's Template (Photobucket)
A = Opendna's "Ahphorgerie" (Photobucket)

O
|
T
/ \
K A
|
B
(the preview shows that I can't get the spacing just right, but I think is is clear enough. Cheers).

So, whose job is it in the Federal Govmint to verify and authenticate those seeking jobs that require birth in the U.S.? We need another govmint agency. Perhaps staff it with a couple of thousand people.

What John Kerry would do when these uncomfortable technicalities would pop up, is he would feign disinterest, and hope that by not having anything to do with the matter, -that it would die out after a short time.

Barry and his handlers have concluded that since Kerry's strategy did not work, that they would proactively snuff these "swift boatings" out at the moment they are noticed.

However if there is an issue that is legitimate, like the legitimacy of the illegitimate birth certificate issue, -notice their strategy is to throw something --anything out there. They pipe right up-thinking that doing something is better than doing nothing....

The problem with this, is "What happens, if the issue in question can not be tapped down like a loose nail?" The way I see it, this "fight the smears" nonsense, only serves to help highlight the issue better.

So,actually, they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't jump on these things at the earliest opportunity.

This "fight the smears" over the birth certificate does not "fight and the issue, and put to rest".. It only is a "SMUDGE the 'SMEARS', and make them STICK out more!"

This reminds me of the Mr. Bean show where Mr Bean messes up the painting of Whister's Mother, and then tries to fix the smear, only to make it worse. This is slapstick at it's lowest..> Scroll in to 5:25 of this video, and compare it to the Barry's Beany handlers trying to "Fight the Smear" hahahahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQevyIy8hzs

Here's part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWftiL-XEfs
Scroll in to 3:20 and it shows what Obama sounds like giving a talk without being prepped by his Beanbama handlers. Barry O giving an extemporaneous talk is like something out of a Mr Bean script.

I think the key is - why was his mother on Mercer Isl WA state to have a quick visit with a 1-2 week old baby - the friend said Stanley wasn't even into diapper changing yet. Why does a 18 yr old girl who has supposedly just given birth in Hawaii turn up in Seattle area 1-2 weeks after giving birth ?????

"Why does a 18 yr old girl who has supposedly just given birth in Hawaii turn up in Seattle area 1-2 weeks after giving birth ?????"

She was visiting family and friends who wanted to see her and the baby? Giving birth doesn't render a woman an invalid. Unless there is medical science to the contrary, it doesn't preclude her taking her baby on a plane.
So if she's visiting friends why not just get the scoop from them instead of ruminating on this non-issue?

I was in the Navy in 1965 and stationed on Oahu when my daughter was born. I have a photocopy of her birth certificate and it looks nothing like the copy of the Obama one. It is a black and white photocopy of a microfilmed "Certificate of Live Birth". While there is no obvious blank on it for "incriminating" information, there are 23 spaces for information. There is no space for "Religion" or "Race of Child", but there are spaces for age, race, occupation and place of birth of the parents.

I suggest someone obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate from someone born around Obama's birth date and post it online for comparison purposes.

Obama must prove to us he is an American. His mother didn't spend 5 years in the US after her 16th birthday, and his father was not a citizen. BHO is not a citizen by birth.

Say it ain't so Barry!

This obsession is getting a little silly. There are only two ways to become a US citizen: by birth or through naturalization. Those of us who were born to American citizens living abroad are citizens. We are not naturalized. Therefore, we are citzens by birth.

The link provided above to Findlaw.com/immigration etc. shows that Obama is NOT a US citizen by birth as his 18 year old mother could not have fulfilled the requirement of having lived in the US for 5 years after her 16th birthday. Hillary will ignite this issue ten days before the convention.

she did not have any family left there & if u watched the video by the friend - her friend did not know she was coming - it was a surprise. So you ruminate and I'll ruminate too - if that's okay with you.

so, we have requirements for being president, and one of them being that you must be a US citizen and born in the US. so, a couple of questions:

1.is it the FBI's responsibility to check into this? or, perhaps the CIA?

2. if the story is true (about him not being a legal US citizen) and the democrats were aware of this, are they not guilty of some act of treason? would they not be held accountable for attempting to over throw the government by defrauding the american people?

3. let's assume that in another month, it's revealed that obama is in fact, not a real US citizen. will he be removed from the ballot? would hillary then take his place? would elections be cancelled? would john mc cain win by default?

It's official! Barrack's father is none other than dumbo. Check out the ears!

Mr. Don Meaker has it right. The five-year rule applies here and it appears was violated.

The Obama campaign's Fight The Smears web site has craftily changed its birth certificate web page. It no longer says that the image of the certificate (that we now know came from Kos) is the actual certificate. It also shrunk the image. The Obama site still says that Obama was born in Hawaii.

What does that mean? Assuming this isn't a ruse, my guess -- and it is just a guess -- is Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. Sorry, he is eligible to become president.

However, there is probably other information on the birth certificate that is terribly damaging. It must be something about Obama's birth name or information about his parents.

What could be so damaging? One way or another, and of course nobody can say for sure, it must link Obama to the Islam practiced by his father's family, or to the Arab roots of that same family.

The Obama family must fear that the American public wouldn't like this surprise revelation. It might cause a voting swing in the upcoming election of five percent, perhaps more.

Where there is smoke there is fire.
And Messiah Barack Obama is a big fat liar.

Another way to get at this: when a person files to run for political office, one has to document and attest that he/she is qualified for the office.

If, for example, I choose to run for mayor of my village, I have to demonstrate that I live in the village at the time I file my candidacy with the village election board. Obvious, but there's a paper trail.

To run for president you need to meet the Constitutional requirements (natural born citizen, over age 35) and the requirements of each state (primarily number of signatures on the petitions). But for age and citizenship there is an easy, near-automatic way to demonstrate that to the State Board of Elections --

-- a certified copy of your birth certificate.

I do not, repeat, do not know if candidates for state and federal office file a copy of their birth certificate. I do not know if such documents are available for public viewing.

But if they do and they are, then there's a way to settle this quickly.

I do not see Obama's birth certificate as a non-issue. He is running for the highest office in the U.S. and whether it's his birth certificate or any other issue, it should all be taken seriously.

If there is something damaging according to Obama and his campaign staff. Then they are perpetuating a false idea of Obama to the American people. It is not Senator Clinton or Senator McCain's job to out Obama.

His certificate has been deemed a fraud on other websites. So why Obama or his staff doesn't just come up and invest a few dollars for an original copy...only convinces more people that they are hiding something.

I had to come up with an original birth certificate in order to receive pension funds. Therefore, I do not think it is too much to ask the DNC to make sure that Obama hands them an original birth certificate in order to prove that he is indeed a citizen of the United States in order to run for President.

The more they wait, the more stories will be told. I've heard Kenya has him born their but in 1963. There is even talk now that his mother visited Pakistan quite often and was pretty good at the Urdu language, so could this also be a place where he could've been born, besides Hawaii or Indonesia.

Obama will not get my vote, but even if I had thought about voting for him at one time...he lost me a long time ago because he has virtually no experience, talks great from a teleprompter otherwise he just stumbles, has poor judgment of present and past associations, and I think he is a con artist.

And he isn't even close to being in the same ballpark on issues as Senator Clinton, but it was a great strategy that he and his campaign dolled out to the masses. His flip-flops will continue and we will never really know what he stands for. However, Obama put up a You Tube video...52 Seconds. I believe that pretty much sums up what he thinks and how little he actually cares about the American people and the United States of America.

I think he should go live in Kenya with his cousin Raila Odingo and they can both fight over which one of them can become president. I don't think Obama will win that one either.

I don't know if Obama is a citizen. I'm not voting for him because of his views, becuase a leftist is a leftist, and socialism is socialism, no matter how you package his message.

If our government can't figure out whether somebody is eligible to run for president, we have more serious problems anyway, and the joke is on us.

Vetters vetting vetters, smear sites scrubbed for self-generated smears. Lots of bureacracy to replace good judgement in the Obama administration.

I noticed on the example of an official birth certificate (with the embossed stamp) that the term "White" and "Caucasian" were both used. I wonder what the difference is.

Also, I checked a number of my family's birth certificates from various states, and none of them request religion, so I doubt Hawaii's do either.

Why do we ignore the obvious? Comparing the Decosta COB to the purported Obama COB, the Decosta document has a 3-D look to it, while the Obama COB looks flat. It is a computer generated image, not a scan or photo of a piece of paper.

I'm also curious if the Hawaiian COB's have any security features that would show up in a scan or copy. Because of shadows and glare, the Decosta COB looks like it could be a photo taken to avoid the security features from a PC scan.

After the nomination, is it possible to take it to court with a claim and expert testimony that the posted birth cert. on Obama's site is a forgery?

Republicans and Democrats have given away a lot of our birth rights, tax dollars and benefits as US citizens to foreigners. I have no doubt they would give the presidency to a naturalized citizen or a foreigner who is not constitutionally qualified.

Obama would have been better off posting no birth cert. and ignoring calls for it, than offering a fake one.

This reminds me of the time when John Kerry was running for president and his website had a facsimile of his discharge DD-214, which if one was familiar with the military's discharge protocal, had some pretty glaring errors on it and, if Jimmy Carter hadn't granted Vietnam War protesters blanket amnesty, would have sent the senator on some serious damage control.

In NJ, when I renewed my driver's license, I had to provide an original copy of my birth certificate. NOT a photocopy, but an official copy WITH the official seal of the city in which I was born. For a driver's license! That is the least we should demand of the person who aspires to be the leader of the free world.

To all you B. Hussein fans - Was it not Move-On/Kos loonies that questioned Mc Cain's citizenship because he was born outside the US?

One simple question: What is the problem with the real Certificate? Should be an easy solution for the "Great One"!

My son was born out-of-wedlock in an Occupied Country. Through me (naturally born citizen)he is considered a naturally born citizen eligble to be president. He has an official State Department Certification of Citizenship to prove it.

I'm struggling with this....
Here's something which I don't believe anyone has mentioned anywhere.
I really believe we're looking at a candidate and campaign who and which never initially hoped or planned would get this far (perhaps we'll someday learn this in an interview, perhaps never). In my opinion a candidate who would have better served himself and his party by remaining in the Senate another term, chaired a committee, then at the next best opportunity run for and serve as Governor of Illinios for at part of a term. I don't believe he ever really hoped or planned to see his candidacy get past Feb 5th/Super-Tuesday. While he and they have been able to talk his and their way around and past the issues like 'Rev. Wright,' now they're faced with an issue which cannot be talked around, a 'black-or-white' legality issue which the candidate never faced previously in other runs, and as we can observe, doesn't have an answer for....
Just two more cents to add to this....

william...
What year was this? Review the findlaw link with relation to _year_. Laws change, and usually "grandfathering" means that the old law applies. Have changes in the law since 1986 been written in such a way as to negate the "five years after the age 16" requirement for the resident parent?

The Smears BC response cites an immaterial portion of the Constitution (the 14th Amendment),instead of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, which deals with the executive branch. The 14th Amendment relates the rights of citizens, while the Art. II, Sec. 1, specifies the citizenship required for a PONTUS. "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

To all,I have a simple solution to all of this... on election day, everybody write in my name for President!
Remember...

BESTERTESTER '08

If he was born in Hawaii he is a US citizen; There is a law on the books from 1898/1900 - All persons born in Hawaii are US citizens.

William,-was your son who was born in occupied territory, born between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986? The person we are discussing here-Mr Dunham, or Obama or whatever his real name may be, was said to have been from this era.

And if your son is from that era, and you were the American citizen through whom this citizenship is claimed, had you in fact also resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to have been after the age of 16. (Ms Dunham was alleged

William, -I know these details may sound tedious, and like picky technicalities, but you should look into this, if your son was born between December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986, like Mr Dunham/?Obama? was.

However if your son was born in occupied territory on November 14, 1986 to Present, the rules changed to :
"If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least five years, at least two of which must have been after the age of 14."

So, William, if your son is younger than [age[21 years 7 months,and approximately 3 weeks as of the first week of July 2008] (born after November 14, 1986- have an attorney do the exact math for you)--then your son may indeed be eligible to one day become president of the United States. However do advise your son to make sure he is at least 35 years old before the day of his inauguration.

I have done the arithmetic on the Dunham/Obama matter, and there does seem to be a huge hangup in this matter.

I have looked at the little blurb on the citizenship/birth certificate matter, that "fight the smears" website has offered. It seems that Dunham/Obama's Beanesque "Fight the Smears Campaign" did not delve into the issue as deeply as they ought to.

A person is a natural born citizen if he or she has at least one American citizen as a parent no matter where he or she is born. A person is also a natural born citizen if he or she is born in the US or its territories (which used to include the Canal Zone) even if both his or her parents are not citizens. State residency requirements have to do with state-provided benefits and voting in state/local elections; they have nothing to do with US citizenship. Many state residency requirements (for public schooling, Medicaid, etc) have been struck down by the federal courts.

Obama is a U.S. citizen because of his mother.

But the real question is whether Obama is a 'natural born' U.S. citizen.

If Obama wasn't born in one of the United States, then he's not eligible to be POTUS.

In addition, Obama must have registered for Selective Service (military) in order to work in the Executive Branch of government. So far, Obama has not shown this registration.

Dear Bubba's BBQ... unfortunately, it DOES matter where he was born, and I have direct personal experience with this in my own family, so I am not speculating.

If Obama was born outside the USA, with only one US parent, when his mother was of the age that has been well documented, he is not a natural born citizen. At age 18, she could not meet the criteria of having resided in the US for at least 5 years after her 16th birthday.

Having said that, I suspect he was born in Hawaii after all, but there is something merely embarrasing on his birth cert.

How do you Dems keep picking them? You last guy was a "war hero" who could not show us his his military records, and lost to someone you called a "draft dodger" who flew fighter planes...

Excuse me? Where's the proof that Obama's mother is a US citizen? I haven't seen it, and until it's produced, everything that's been said by the campaign about Obama's citizenship is suspect.

This story gives a good summary of Dunham/Obama's run for state senate agianst Alice Palmer, and Gha-is Askia
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story

It would be ironic if Dunham/Obama is challeged on his citizenship, similar to how he has stabbed other opponents in the back with challenges and got them knocked off the ballot. I wonder if a successful challenge to a presidential candidate in the run up weeks before the election, which takes "Obama's" name off the ballot, like he did to Palmer, --would that mean McCain runs unopposed like Obama did when he knocked all his opponents off the ballot? Or if Dunham/Obama wins the election, and the challenge (proving Obama is ineligible)is settled after the election in December, -who would be sworn in as president? McCain? or Obama's VP running mate? This is all new ground.

I don't remember there ever having been a POTUS candidate, like Dunham/Obama, who may very likely not be able to show whether or not they pass the citizenship requirements to be POTUS.

GadZooks! Is the only thing regular about Obuma is that he puts his pants on one leg at a time? What a snake oil salesman empty suit. My dog has more ethics and experience than this guy and his ears are smaller.

Answer to Suek:

The year was 1954. Germany did not become a sovereign country until May 1, 1955 His mother has a Certificate of Naturalization, but he has a Certificate of Citizenship dated with his birthdate.

william...
I'm assuming that you are a US citizen, and were at the time your son was born? If so, and if you had lived in the US for 5 years after your 16th birthday, then your citizenship qualifies him. Were you in the military service at the time? I think that enters into it as well. Nevertheless, in you son's case the natural born citizenship would pass through you, not through his mother.

If Obama is to be president, they could amend the constitution so he could qualify. But amending the Constitution is typically a years-long process requiring 2/3s votes in each House of Congress and approval by 38 states. That's way too much. Wikipedia on citizenship qualifications to be president mentions three names. Gore (born in DC) Goldwater (born in Arizona when it was a territory), and of course McCain. The matter of Dunham/Obama vis-a-vis citizenship qualifications is not addressed yet in wikipedia -but it looks like the issues of Obama/Dunham's 18 year old mother, would definately put Mr Dunham/Obama outside the limit as set forth by statute.

T. Alexander Aleinikoff, a constitutional scholar who is dean of Georgetown University Law School in Washington, is an expert in issues concerning Article 3 of the Constitution and he specializes in citizenship issues. He has been a Senior Associate at the Migration Policy Institute, Executive Associate Commissioner of Programs, Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) within the U.S. Department of Justice (note that INS is now part of the Department of Homeland Security), and General Counsel of the INS. I wonder what experts like T. Alexander Aleinikoff have to say about the issue of Dunham/Obama vis a vis citizenship qualifications for president?

If Obama had been born somewhere other that in the U.S., he would not be a U.S. Citizen, Bob Sykes. Make sure you know the law. If only one parent is a US Citizen at the time of birth and you are born outside the U.S. (prior to 1986) that parent has to have had at least 10 years of physical presence in the U.S. after the age of 15 at the time of the birth. Therefore, since Hawaii became state in 1959 and Obama was "allegedly" born in 1961, then he is a U.S. Citizen. However, if the manipulation of his birth certificate was such that he was born before Hawaii became a state or born outside the USA, then he is not a US citizen, naturalized or not and could be subject to deportation.

Call Dan Rather. This document which was supposed to have been made in 1961 was output on a computer using Arial type. What kind of computers did they have in Hawaii in 1961??

The Gobama crowd won't care even if the birth certificate is a fake. They have their messiah and they won't give him up.

The birth certificate that matters, for purposes of establishing the classification of "natural born citizen" is the one belonging to the mother Stanley Ann Dunham, in this matter.

For an individual born on August 4, 1961, as B.H. Dunham/Obama was alleged to have been, then the date of birth on the mother's birth certificate, can be no later than August 1940, for purposes of establishing this for the offspring (give or take a couple days) .

If Ms Dunham, or whatever her name was, -if she was in fact born around 1943, that would leave the mother in this case, several years away from being able to establish her offspring as being "natural born" with regards to establishing the "natural born Citizen" criteria that Article 2 mandates.

And according to the candidate "words mean things".

I wonder if the words "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President", mean anything?

How can the information get out to the general public. Is anyone in state department taking notice, or F B I or C I A. Barbara

Who can get the info on a case that requires securing classified documents?

Drum roll . . . .

paging Sandy Berger!

Who can get the info on a case that requires securing classified documents?

Drum roll . . . .

paging Sandy Berger!

The facts are - the birth certificate is a forgery and he is lying about something.

He was probably born in Hawaii. But, the name on his birth certificate is Barry Soetoro because his step-father, Lolo Soetoro adopted him.

He is likely hiding the fact that he is Muslim just like his two fathers. He is also an Indonesian citizen, as it states on his school records. He may have dual-citizenship which would make him ineligible to be president.

There could be more to it. In any case he is a liar.