America sizzles under heat wave - 72 years ago today!

No one talks about the northern midwest. We are cold and rainy. I am sure the temp is below average.

Another example of people not being able to see history beyond the edge of their own limited lifespan.

OMG!!!! It is getting hot in the summer!!! Especially in Texas and California! Oh No! What will we do? Geeze louise these people are really grasping at sand, aren't they. Next thing you know they will blame subfreezing temps in Montana in January on global warming too. They have along since jumped the shark.

I am skeptical of anthropogenic global warming, but let me play devil's advocate here: what if these 1930s heat waves (and high temps from even earlier periods) were part of a continuum of global warming that we are just now noticing today? That is, what if GW began some time ago and our evidence is these very newspaper reports?

Brad: Have you seen the graph showing how temperature tracks closely with solar activity and not at all with carbon emissions?

We will be glad to take any of that excessive heat off your hands. We have been dealing with daily temps in the sixties, overcast skies, and frequent showers. Three years ago, this area was getting day after day of temperatures in the 80's.

Must have been those gas guzzling SUVs in the 30s.

An orbitting mind control laser caused Brad Schreffler to write: "...what if GW began some time ago and our evidence is these very newspaper reports?"

Well, Brad, since St. Paul has not hit even 90 yet this year or last, much less the reported 109 in the article in question, I would say that what you would have is evidence of global cooling. A downward trend being wehat is indicated.

NW

Mr. Schreffler,

One problem with this type of thinking is that it tends to lead to the 'Precautionary Principal' and the problem with that is that, if you follow it to its logical conclusion, it leads to doing nothing at all because it might cause some problem somewhere!

Bill

Brad!...Bingo!...Good thinking, sir. Based on the truth that history begins on the day you were born. You know what you know in your time here only. Everything else is academic!
Ice cores from Greenland tell us the global climate has oscillated wildly over the last 5000 yrs. Patient Earth time differs vastly from puny human Bulova time. The Sun went dormant for almost two centuries...no sunspots...and the famous 'Little Ice Age' ensued, that hung in there to the late 18th century. The long deadly winter at Valley Forge and the Hudson freezing thick, bank to bank are results of this.
Solar behavior inexplicably changed, the Sun became active again and there was a gradual long term warming...which we are in now. Except...the Sun is strangely dormant again. Predicted Sunspot Cycle 24 is unusually late. Some say the massive tidal gravity forces of the outer giant planets have wobbled the Sun slightly out of its 'pocket'. This is being observed right now by Australian Solar Phyicists.
The fractal math of chaos describes a non-linear universe of random phenomena. A puff of dust kicked up by a scurrying lizard in West Africa morphs into a swirling dust devil from rising radiative heat thermals that morphs into a super cell thunderstorm that frisbees off into the adjacent Atlantic and becomes a cat five hurricane that levels Miami. All because of a stupid lizard 10,000 miles away. We inhabit a relatively small planetary neighborhood. Imagine what a slight solar wobble can do! Humans do have a small measureable effect on climate but aren't the cause of GW by far.
Its Aesop's fly on the chariot wheel thinking... 'Oh! What a dust I raise!'

It's all the way up to 86 right now on my patio in one of the hottest areas of California. Nap time.

I would like to respond to Brad Schreffler's suggestion that we are seeing a continuation of AGW that this story documented in 1936.

First Brad, I was around in 1936 although I don't remember very much about that year, being only one, but I do remember in 1940 when my parents took the train to Detroit and took delivery of the first two streamlined Pontiac motor cars aeen in Florida. My mother drove the very first two-tone paint job back to Florida. My parents told me that crowds turned out everywhere they stopped. Automobiles were not widely onwned, and this new model was a novelty. While they made that trip I was staying on my Uncles's farm where there was no electrcity nor running water within miles. When we moved around the countryside we did so in the wagon behind the mule, just like everyone else.

I distinctly remember taking one of my well-to-do Aunts to the airport around 1940. Flying on a commercial airliner was a real novelty then. The Tampa,Fl airport was tiny, and served a dozen commercial flights a day, if that.

My parents lived in a major city. Althought my father was in the car business we did not own a personal automobile, and those families who did owned one. When we went grocery shopping we walked. When we went to town we rode the trolley. My Dad could use his company car for weekend trips to the lake or the beach.

What I am saying is that the factors that people point to as the causes of AGW were in damn short supply in 1936. The weather anamolies in those days resulted from normal climatic cycles; just like the cooling period in the 60s and 70s and just like the warming in the 90s. Note that there has been no warming since 1998.

Schwarzenegger on global warming...

SCHWARZENEGGER: (I)t just really means basically this administration did not believe in global warming, or they did not believe that they should do anything about it since China is not doing anything about it and since India is not willing to do the same thing, so why should we do the same thing?

But that's not how we put a man on the moon. We did not say let everyone else do the same thing, then we will do it. We said we want to be the pioneers, we want to be out there in front. [snip]

Anyone that tells you that drilling, nuclear power, alternative fuels, fuel cells, solar, all of those things will bring down the price right now, I think is pulling wool over your eyes, because we know that all of those would take at least 10 years.

But that should not mean that we should not do those things, because here is the important thing. What's the biggest problem in America? It's not that we don't have any ideas. It's just that we are not consistent, that we have Jimmy Carter in the late '70s that came in with a great energy policy, talked about shale oil exploration, giving tax credits for people that were investing in windmills and in solar and all of those things.

Then President Reagan came in and scrapped the whole thing, because the oil price came down and says, "Well, this doesn't make any sense financially."

There were many countries all over the world that stayed with the program, that said, "We are going to continue," even thought the oil price comes down. In Germany with solar, for 30 years they've been working on that, and they're now number one in solar, number one.

I think that's what we need to do. We need to stay the course.
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Finally a Republican with some brains and leadership.

The simple fact of the matter is the popularly quoted AGW data is wrong, if not fraudulent.

I could careless what Schwarzenegger has to say. We know California has vampiric tendencies, that is piping water from others states into its southern desert region. Yes, the lower portion of California is desert. Schwarzenegger can talk China this and India that, but he quotes nothing new, basing his assumptions regarding ADW on flawed data.

Jimmy Carter was not qualified to be president. His energy policies didn't work and to stay with them would've continued a disastrous course. If windmills and in solar actually accomplished what is parroted, no tax credits would be necessary. Why use taxpayer dollars to support something which doesn't work?

"In Germany with solar, for 30 years they've been working on that, and they're now number one in solar, number one." Number one, really? So, is solar their FIRST means of energy production? In France it's nuclear, and nuclear is the way to go. Nuclear is a known energy producing quantity, and that is a fact.

The reality is this:

Any time taxation is offered as part of a solution to a problem, a fraud is being perpetrated.

1936 --- Yes it was HOT. But that came after a COLD winter --- 40 below zero ever night for six weeks during Jan & Feb. And we moved from the old homestead to my grandfather's house on the highway. Oh Yes! We moved with a sled pulled with a team of horses. No electricity, some people had it, with a windmill and a big rack of batteries down in the celler. Our car was only for the summer, in the winter dad would catch the Mail Truck in the morning, and come back from town with the afternoon Mail Truck. Two mail deliveries every day back then, even way out in the country.

what if these 1930s heat waves (and high temps from even earlier periods) were part of a continuum of global "warming that we are just now noticing today? That is, what if GW began some time ago and our evidence is these very newspaper reports?"
You must be quite a young'un. This phenomenon might have a slight possibility if the warmth had continued. However, all during the 60s and 70s, my high school, college and early vocational years, all we heard about was the coming ice age and global cooling.