June 20, 2008

Obama seen as a Muslim overseas

Thomas Lifson
The Obama campaign faces a burgeoning problem: the tendency of certain highly-placed  Muslims overseas to declare that he is of their faith.  The latest to do so is Libya's Qadhafi, in remarks made marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. MEMRI provides this transcript (hat tip: Big Dog 

There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama. All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man. They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency.

We still hope that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity, and in his faith, and that [he will know] that he has rights in America, and that he will change America from evil to good, and that America will establish relations that will serve it well with other peoples, especially the Arabs.

Americans believe that Barack Obama has every right to become a Christian as an adult and proclaim his faith in Jesus Christ. Americans understand that true religious identity depends on the faith one accepts. But we deceive ourselves if we believe the rest of the world thinks this way.

The Muslim world sees it differently. A baby born to a Muslim father is a Muslim. One who leaves Islam for another faith is an apostate. It's scriptural.

Facts are stubborn things.

The fact that many in the Muslim world would see a hypothetical President Obama as one of them, or possibly as an apostate, has to affect his ability to be effective. Maybe it would be an advantage, but who knows? It is hard for Westerner to imagine all the complexities this situation would create if Barack Obama occupies the Oval office.

This subject is a legitimate topic of discussion for the presidential campaign. How does the biographical fact of a Muslim father (and step-father) influence the candidate's ability to be effective as president? I would like to hear many Muslim voices on this question, as well as Senator Obama's views on the varying concept of religion, and what he might say to a Muslin religious authroity, if he ever discusses the question of his faith. Perhaps that might happen when he has his promised meeting with Muslim states at the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

The campaign has so far been rather effective at suppressing discussion of any of the complexities of Barack Obama's connection to the faith of his father. To even broach the subject is to be branded a smear artist, to have "emails" invoked as cyber boogeymen,  and to be an "Islamophobe."

Obama has been celebrated as a man who repair America's image overseas. But images are tricky things, and managing them overseas may be impossible.

Hat tip: Larwyn

Comments

The MSM cannot grasp this issue. It's not whether or not Obama is a practicing Muslim or a secret Muslim or even a former Muslim. The question is what his Muslim past will mean AFTER he is in the WH.
We all saw the Khomeini fatwa against Salman Rushdie because he wrote a novel. We saw what making a movie did to Theo van Gogh.
Given the Muslim dictates on leaving the faith and Islam's punishment for apostasy, what should Americans expect from a President Obama? If the leader of Libya believes Obama is a Muslim does that make Obama an apostate as well? He belongs to a Christian church.
Political correctness and the media's support of Obama mean that none of these issues will be taken seriously until after the November election. By then it will be too late.

How many times has one heard that perception means everything?
Consider: If Muslims abroad perceive Obama as Muslim and if he is, what does that mean for our security, given that Muslims owe no loyalty at all to their country but to their religion/cult? Or, if Obama is wrongly perceived to be Muslim, then what of their reaction when they realize this? Will they step up terrorism again a man they now view as an apostate? How dangerous would that be given prior liberal failure to recognize that Islam has declared war against us? A President Obama is going to be an unmitigated disaster for America. I just pray that a mushroom cloud over one of our cities doesn't prove my point.

I found this link in my inbox and found it a fascinating story. I am awaiting more confirmation on this story. Wonder if the MSM will break it and if MSNBC's Matthews will tinkle more in his pants..

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm

I am the product of a Jewish Mother and Catholic Father. In my Mother's faith I am deemed a Jew even though I raised, attended and follow the Catholic faith. I do respect and honor the Jewish customs as out of respect of my mother. I am not defending Libya, I am just offering another side.

I agree with pmk. However, according to Islam if you are born to a Muslim father, you are Muslim. In BHO's case, it's convenient for them to over-look his Christian faith (if he did indeed convert in his heart, that's a problem too. I doubt he did.) All he has to do is point his finger toward the sky and he's a Muslim once again.

What garbage. I don't believe for a moment that Obama is a secret Musilim who is going to come out of the closet once elected. And wow Qadhafi is a great source for accurate information.

This is just like the false charges that Barack Obama attended a "radical madrassa" that Fox News spread.

Why aren't we worried that McCain committed adultery and then divorced?

Sounds like desperation to me. Stick to facts and policy issues.

Let's see; If he were not a muslim, then he would be an apostate and loathed by muslims. Since he is not loathed by muslims, then he must be a muslim. If it smells, quacks and walks like a duck, it is a duck.

I don't think there was and is conversion here. According to the information posted here several weeks ago, one individual called Obama's Trinity Church to ask about the requirement to join the church. As far as I remember, even believing in Muhammad as a Prophet is not a problem. In fact, Muslims also join the church. I hope the one who made the call will post again his/her comment or maybe someone can remind us as who wrote that information here before.

The point is, I do believe that Obama is a Muslim in disguise. His cousin Odinga, who was defeated in the presidential election in Kenya but still refused to admit the defeat, is supporting the implementation of Syariah law in Kenya. Both Obama's fathers were Muslims. And in his book he indicated that he will give the benefit of the doubt to Muslims over any other entities (I hope someone can dig out his book "Audacity of Hope" where this line is written). The person he truly admires is his brother who converted to Islam. And Obama said that Islamic prayer is the most beautiful prayer on Earth.

What else do we need?

The problem of course is about 40% of American people are, sorry to say, dumb idiot! When you, an American, believe that Bush is more dangerous than Osama bin Laden, that shows how utterly idiot you are. But that's what 40% of Americans believe--and they believe it dearly in their heart.

The other problem is, the McCain's camp will most likely act as useful idiots, condemning any 527 organization that is trying to bring the information about Obama's Islamic background out to the public.

So, here we are, dealing with stupid dumb people and useful idiots.

The sad fact is, Barack HUSSEIN Obama IS a Muslim, has been, still is, and always will be!

That is a FACT!

His so-called "conversion" to Black Liberation/Anti-White/Marxist "Christianity" was nothing more than calculated Political expediency.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a tool of the Nation of Islam/Louis Farrakhan, and he is practicing "Taqiyah".

If you do not know that term, I suggest you Google it.

In addition, he's a dedicated, Anti-White, Anti-American, Marxist!

Those are indisputable FACTS, IF you choose to do your research!

That fact that we are about to elect this man, as President of the United States, shows that 45% of this country has effectively LOST THEIR FREAKING MINDS!

I also think that this could only help Obama overseas. Unlike Bush who couldn't negotiate himself out of a paper bag, I perceive Obama to be much more of a statesman. The question is the extent of his policies.

As for MSM I am disgusted at the likes of Fox News and opinion shows that spread unsubstantiated rumors by using phrases "someone said" or "it has been said elsewhere" and using that to justify spreading misinformation. GIve me facts and not rumors.

It is difficult to believe that Obama is a Christian when he thinks and says that there is nothing more beautiful that the sound of the Islamic call to prayer at sunset. I know that he has claimed to be Christian, but I find it difficult to believe in light of his total lack of understanding of Christianity and his lack of acquaintance with Scripture. Maybe Obama doesn't read the Bible any more than he has read history or international affairs.

If he is serious about his Christianity, why did he join a church in which the sermons were the same as he could get in a mosque? Why did he reject churches which preached Christ and Him crucified and resurrected for our salvation? How is it that Obama can be a Christian and believe "our individual salvation depends on our collective salvation"?

I know that there are former Muslims who have wholeheartedly converted to Christianity. I also know that Muslims practice taqqiyah, which is lying to non-Muslims in order to promote an Islamic agenda. Given the radical nature of Obama's associations and his seeming disdain for America and her symbols, I cannot help but think that Obama, self-professed Christian, is a Muslim practicing taqqiyah, a wolf in sheep's clothing who will say anything to destroy America.

It's hard to say it. It's difficult to think it. Nevertheless, no matter how many protestations to the contrary that he offers, I cannot and do not believe Obama with all his radical, anti-American connections is Christian. There's the rub.

There is the rub.

I can't read Obama's heart, but I can look at his friends and discern the man. Because of what was preached at the church at which he was a member for 20 years, light on the grace of God and forgiveness and heavy on hatred and damnation; because of his long ties with Ayres; because of his words to "Palestinian" Arabs that he can't support their cause publicly cuz he's running for election; because he refuses to tell the truth about being a Muslim as a child and attending Islamic school in Indonesia; because he has no allegiance to anything but his own power; because he cannot seem to tell the truth about anything, I cannot believe that Obama is the Christian he says he is.

That's the bottom line.

To the person who stated that Fox News presents false accusations, What the heck do you think MSNBC,ABC,CBS,NBC,and CNN not to mention PBS (which is government control)preach D.A.D.( Dumb A*# Dumocrate. Get mad at Bush because we finally had a Pres. with the guts to defend our country, because you freaking LIBERALS were the cause of 9/11 under Clinton. You Libs make me sick. Notice since you D.A.D.'s control the house gas prices went up, economy sytarted to tumble, when the Repub. were there everything was working, new jobs, unemployment low, and terrorist POWs didn't get free trails in our country.

The enemy knows his own, and with the ringing endorsements the mohammedans are giving Barack Hussein Obama, those should be proof enough that he's no Christian, and is in fact a follower of Mohammed and Farrakhan.

I don't want a wimpy President who will try and kiss up to every crazed Muslim country out there. We need a President who is toough and won't back down from all ridiculous ideologies and PC of the world.
How anyone can vote for Obama - given his friends, associates, his family, his church, his lack of experience and his horribly leftist voting record is beyond me. It just proves how idiotic so many Americans are.

How do we know Barako is'nt Muslim?we Sure better find out now,don't you think?

Some of you up there have posted some outrageous comments about what faith Obama clings - ooops - holds to. There is no conspiracy or secret muslim takeover in the works. Obama is just a politician committed to the god of convenience. I do not believe that Obama is a muslim nor do I believe he is a Christian. Frankly I think his is agnostic, perhaps even atheist, at his core. He probably thinks any religion is a fairy tale, but he learned at a young age the power that could be harnessed from the followers of religion. He happened to choose a liberal, bigoted church in Chicago sporting a politically activist pastor to help his climb through the Chicago political ladder. Truly I believe that he feels everyone at his rallies are stupid and incapable of independent thought - like a lot of liberals. I think Obama worships Obama.

Perception is often reality in the world. It does not matter what he is or what he claims to be, what matters is how others perceive him and the affect that might have on this country.

Thanks for the mention!

Please, PLEASE, someone ask this man when and where he was baptized a Christian!

If elected, Obama will be president less than a year before he announces that he's converting to Islam. He'll give a national speech from the Oval Office, telling us all about freedom of religion and the glory of the Koran. MSNBC will cover the event like the birth of Christ. No, no -- he's not a muslim now. He's a Christian. But Obama's flip-flopped on so many things so far, this spiritual flip will be no surprise.

Michael Murray you are right on. Obama's religion is the religion of self. He literally is the perfect liberal. The religion of anything goes as long as it makes you feel good. That, along with worshipping at the idol of global warming.

After BO is POTUS and openly admits to being a muslim...will MO wear the traditional head scarf.

I mentioned this before about Kenneth Lamb's research into Obama's ancestry. Lamb has been in the business of research and writing for 35 years with the NY Times, Miami Herald, St. Petersburgh Times, Jewish Information Network. I don't know if Barack Obama is Muslim but he is ARAB. Lamb discovered that Obama is 50% Caucasian, 43.75% Arabic, 6.25% African Negro. Those are the FACTS, the Libs and Obama and his campaign can spin all they want, we may very well be electing our first ARAB-AMERICAN for President. It seems that the Blacks have been duped by their Party again - what's new.

Things to consider: If Obama is not Muslim, why was it so necessary for his staff to remove two Muslim scarfed women from the view of the cameras?

Why was it so necessary for Blomberg and Wexler to emphatically say to Jews in Miami that Obama is Christian?

Obama is a product of a river in Egypt - denial.

WOW!
I want some of the Kool-Aid that is being passed around here. I thought only the liberal left like, Michael Moore, could create a conspiracy this deep.

Extra Sugar please! This is gonna get good.

(I heard he's gay too.)

Just because you say something does not make is so, and unfortunatly there are many self confessed Christians that have not a clue what a true Christian is. B.O. no matter what he is, does not express the true American ideals and should not be given the chance to lead the greatest nation on earth. We need to get past the Liberals/Consertave/African American/Chinese American etc. and any other type of affiliation except American and the one true God the creator of all things. Until we are able to understand the difference and learn to pull together for the good of the Nation and forget the me mindset, and think of the bigger picture, then we might as well pack it in because we don't have a chance. We have let the talking heads/politicians do our thinking for us too long we need to stand up and tell them we are tired and not going to take it any more!

All I can say anybody is a fool that votes for Obama. He has studied under a communist for 7 years, has Muslim connections and is a socialist/marxist as far as i can tell.

Set aside your differences and focus on the good of the goal. My religion is better than your religion argument is petty and it only goes to show you how easily people can be brainwashed or influenced by which club you belong. Racism and differences will always exist in this world. If for some reason Obama becomes president, judge him based on his actions and not the color of his skin or which religion he is a member of. Personally, I rather vote for Ron Paul, but most Americans do not understand the truth he speaks and that to me is the biggest fear I have and not Obama becoming the president.

If apathetic Americans don't wake up, women will be wearing burkas and getting circumcised.

This could turn out to be REALLY bad.

WHY, WHY, WHY do the illuminati want this man as prez? WHAT are their reasons? WHY did the democrats have a junior senator give a keynote address at their convention? WHAT is this really about?

Critics of Obama want it both ways. They want him condemned for the words of his CHRISTIAN Pastor, and they insist he's a Muslim. You can't have it both ways, and frankly, who the hell cares?

Well after the damage caused by America's petroleum wars,
America will have a Muslim
President to appease the Muslims and calm the sea of rage.
Or so the thinking goes,but let no man, no woman ever forget the evil that America has become .

People it is time to wake up. This might be relevant if the pres was anything other than a puppet. They have been saying they are going to bring "change" for over 50 years now. The only change that there has been is for the worse. Clinton made some very liberal laws. Bush should have nullified them, he either left them alone or added to them. In actuality Bush Sr has been the Pres since Reagan's days. Bush and Clinton are friends. Bush and Obama are cousins. The only difference between Bush, Clinton, Cheney, Gore, Hillary, McCain, Paul, Kissinger, Putin, Bin Laden, Arafat, Peres, Sharon, Iran Pres., Chinese Pres, Obama, Hillary, etc are that their names are spelled differently. The only difference between the dem and rep is that they are spelled differently. We need to think long term here. We need to remember back over the decades and see that it has all been a smoke screen. There are only two types of people in this world, the elite and the masses. The elite cause the problem then have the "solution" to the problem, then many of the masses are killed, etc. It is time to wake up before we are led off to the slaughter. As long as the masses are divided the elite will continue to win.

American Thinker, hey?

This was all done before in, of all places, the NY Times and shortly after completely refuted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Be serious and pay a little attention to the world outside of the neocon propaganda machine.

If Obama becomes President, the Muslim world will view him as a Muslim, period!
As he has renounced Islam to become a Christian, under Islamic Sharia Law he is considered an Apostate and the death penalty applies.
Question:
How will fundamentalist and/or militant muslims feel about this?
It does not bode well.
This will become problematic.

I do believe that Obama is lying about being a Muslim.

His father was a Muslim.
His step-father was a Muslim.
The majority of his family in Africa are Muslims.

Of course he is going to deny it.

This is what liars do.

He is an opportunistic Christian.

Whether Mc Goon or Hanuman Obama wins does not matter, we are screwd!

God may allow Obama to become president to punish America for Turning its back on the true God.

Let's ask BO to recite The Lord's Prayer

Wow..American Thinker.
i thought America was the land of the free...well not according to you lot, it is the land of white Christian's and the rest can go die in the name of Jesus...I really don't understand your upside down world. Europeans don't think like that so some thing must have made you like this, it's not your roots, I think the media. Yo are fascinating experiments.

Ultimate site for Obama information:
http://www.theobamafile.com/

The evidence is overwhelming:
http://theobamafile.com/ObamaIslam.htm

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