Axelrod's Fall Riefenstahl Strategy

Lee, I beg to differ on a small point.
It was Moses who was slow of speech, and it was Aaron who mostly addressed Pharoah! This continued in the desert, where G-d´s word was transmitted from Moses to Aaron to the Elders....
Remember too that Moses, although famous, was a most humble man!
All this would make McCain Moses, who will lead the people out of bondage.
Obama...well, he will be remembered for a year or two as a wannabe Pharoah!

Not to be nit-picky but the lady's name was Riefenstahl.

And to top everything off HE will heal a leper.

I can sum up every single one of Obama's speech's thusly:

I'm for change, because the world is changing and we need to change. without change, we would stay the same and if we stayed the same ,we would not change. As the candidate of change, I say, Yes we can. And as your president I will turn your dollar bills and change them into change as in pennies and nickels. Obama Uber Alles Good night

It appears as though his campaign is trying to sell Obama as a CELEBRITY not a politician. I expect his entrance to Invesco field will be with Obama in a sedan chair carried by 12 comely young Democrat maidens. The networks will love every minute of it.

Moses was slow of tongue, likewise was George Bush. Give me a man of substance over style anytime, especially if he is leader of the free world and my son's Commander-in-Chief.
Yet, it seems that the people clammor for style over substance and God may just let us have what the collective majority desire. God forbid, but I fear in the Fall will be manipulated once again for the man with no substance as it was for Bill Clinton.
The thing is, we can no longer, in a war meant to destroy us, have a collective, short-memoried majority choose a President with no character, no experience, and no judgment. We don't have four years to wait for another President. Our enemies won't need that long to overthrow the once great giant.
Will McCain ever step up to the plate? Alas, I doubt it. The old warrior thinks he need not court the conservatives, the ones who send their children to fight for the nation. He thinks he can win without us.

Bev Gunn
East Texas Rancher

As PT Barnum said .... there is a sucker born every minute. Are we Americans so lame as to be beguiled by a slick talker? If so -- we deserve what we get. Cheers.

elixelx - Obama is the Messiah not Pharaoh (but then again being a one-time muslim through birth....maybe he will be both). Cheers.

The 1934 Party Rally you are referring to was NOT in Munchen, but in Nurnberg. All of the major rallies were held at the Sportsplatz in Nurnberg.

Willi

Isn't it amazing that, with a population of over 300 million, this is the best that we can come up with. Someday, hopefully soon, we'll wake up.

I know this has probably been said before but.... I think that John McCain is just a replay of Bob Dole. Both are honorable combat wounded vets who served our country with honor in time of war. They both were (are) moderate Republicans who tried to cross the aisle and work with dems. The media is making McCain appear old just like they did with Dole. It's going to be a replay of 1992. We are going to get a democrat President who will attempt to run roughshod over the country and he will be aided by a compliant Congress. Hopefully Americans will wakeup and get him out in 2012 or at the very least elect a Republican Congress to force Obama to the right. We are in for some tough times. Hold on tight.

The comparison with Pharoah is apt for Obama, who will drown as a consequence of his pride!

Why is it that nobody seems worried about CONGRESS? Are there not several Congressional elections going on, also? Right now, it is WAY more important to get Conservatives voted into Congress, but NOBODY seems to be paying any attention to that. The Presidency is important, but IF Osama is elected, what is the Best way to hold his Marxist ideology back? Answer: Conservatives in Congress. Why not take advantage of the 9% approval rating of this Democrat Congress, and FIX THAT?

I, too, was hoping for a warrior, from a man who has done so much against so much. Instead, he is quieter than George Bush for some reason.
I have to confess that I don't understand it. Did John McCain not understand, after years in national office, that he would have to SPEAK UP to accomplish anything? No idea works without its champion. It's working for Obama.
Let me say too, that after being on the wrong side of some issues, that emotion will get you alot further than logic. We could use a little from out prospective leader. That's what made Reagan so great. It wasn't his beliefs, but his communicating them to us that made us follow him still.
I'm in agreement with another poster's question. How is it that we can't produce anyone of any greater leadership ability in this country than these two?

Then we all best learn the song for the times that come:

Die Gedenken Sind Frei Thoughts Are Free
Translated by Tom Potter

1 Die Gedanken sind frei,
wer kan sie erraten;
sie fliegen vorbei,
wie nächtliche Schatten.
Kein Mensch kan sie wissen,
kein Jäger erschießen;
es bleibet dabei:
die Gedanken sind frei!

My thoughts, they are free,
For, what man can guess them?
They pass by fleetingly
Like evening shadows.
No person can know them,
No hunter can shoot them,
It always shall be:
My thoughts, they are free!

2 Ich denke was ich will
und was mich beglücket,
doch alles in der Still,
und wie es sich schicket.
Mein Wunsch und Begehren
kann niemand verwehren;
es bleibet dabei:
die Gedanken sind frei!

I think just what I want,
And what makes me happy;
But always quietly
And at the right moment.
My wish and desire,
No one can suppress them,
It always shall be:
My thoughts, they are free!

3 Sperrt man mich gleich ein
in finsteren Kerker,
so sind es doch nur
vergebliche Werke;
Denn meine Gedanken
zerreißen die Schranken
und Mauern entzwei:
die Gedanken sind frei!

And if they lock me up
In deep and dark dungeons,
Then surely they will see,
Such actions will fail them..

My thoughts will defeat them,
Will smash through their fences
And overthrow their walls:
My thoughts, they are free!

4 Drum will ich auf immer
den Sorgen entsagen
und will mich auch nimmer
mit Grillen mehr plagen.
Man kann ja im Herzen
stets lachen und scherzen
und denken dabei:
die Gedanken sind frei!

And I shall renounce
Both sorrows and sadness,
And silly ideas
Shall no more torment me.
For I can be laughing,
Yes, I can be joking,
And deep inside of me:
My thoughts, they are free!

5 Ich liebe den Wein,
mein Mädchen vor allen,
sie tut mir allein
am besten gefallen.
Ich bin nicht alleine
bei meinem Glas Weine:
mein Mädchen dabei,
die Gedanken sind frei!

I love a drink of wine,
But love most my woman,
Yes, she and only she,
Knows best how to please me.
I'm never alone, with
My wineglass and woman
To keep me company:
My thoughts, they are free!

Translation donated to the public
domain by Tom Potter, 2007
http://daisyfield.com/music/guitar/about/Gedanken.htm

Helen,
Thanks for catching my mistake on Leni's name. We were never close.
LC

This has to be entered into my "Recognize Propoganda" class (known as Kool Aide for the Right) only this time it's the green eyed conservatives who are sick with jealousy that Obama can speak and walk while drawing a crowd, contrary to eight years of something quite different. We need to wipe the cherry red from our mouth after swallowing this article.

I remember not too long ago when people said 'I know Ross Perot is goofy but I'm voting for him anyway.'

People are just getting a 'feeling' for Obama. It's not what he believes because he's all over the board on that.

They're for him because of an intangible unreasonable romantic emotional reason.

He really isn't qualified.

I fear that a lot of America has an American Idol mentality........ perhaps we could skip the election and just use our cell phone to vote him... I mean corronate him. Also, not to sound very off in the head, but when he made the comment regarding some event in 2016, he said "hey, I'll be just about ending my second term as president about then".. I wondered if he was planning to follow the path of his world wide supporters once he got in and just do away with that term limit idea. It seems to be the new "democracy" in the world about now....werent Castro, Hugo and Mugabe hailed as saviours in their day? Just a thought........

perfect antidote for the Obamessiah's speech is that clip Hillary made (I think in Ohio) when she talked about skies open up, celestial choirs singing, all problems solved...that was one hell of a performance by Hillary - and the 527s should make some use of it...the suggestion that the Messiah's rally in Denver resembles the big rallies in 1930s Nazi Germany is an unspeakable parallel..but clearly there are something to watch for - massive rallies, the automaton like nodding and chanting...and the Messiah will need his youth to perform civic duties...and to amaze how can someone achieve so little in public life and become so powerful so quickly via mass media, mass rallies..

Willi,
Nuremberg it was. I stand corrected. thank you.

Rita,
Conservatives are not "sick with jealousy that Obama can speak and walk while drawing a crowd".
We are quite frightened though by his radical & corrupt associates, his extreme niavete and his flat out BS.

This is the type of article that needs to be emailed to every thinking (key word) independent or moderate who is currently looking for a Presidential candidate. Unfortunately, many in our society are not "thinkers" and are instead, simple sheeple that are breathlessly awaiting the Nanny State. Many of those are within the Democratic Party; they subsist on the metaphorical party Kool-Aid, so there's no real reason to target the faithful, since they won't listen. However, it's the independents and moderates who are still in reach. They are the ones who need to read this article.

People loving change should always remember that in any transaction change is always less than cost, and sometimes significantly less. It could be that there is no change at all. Would it be a lucky scenario to all of us? NO CHANGE, LET US BE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE. IT COULD BE MUCH WORSE.

While Axelrod works his magic I'll be reading a book or mowing the lawn. I couldn't care less about either of these candidates and don't plan to vote for either one. Neither is worthy of my vote.

For those who share Rita's thoughts: I would hope you'd read 1Corinthians, Ch.1(&2). It speaks of wisdom. And the arrogance of man.

Ch.1:27 - "but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise..." and in Ch.2, St. Paul says, "I did not come to you with superiority of speech..."

We should take great care that we be not fools.

In 1992, the Democrats broke with the tradition of letting the other party have all the attention during the week of its convention by employing an Orwellian-like Truth Squad, and by showing images of Clinton and Gore wearing hard hats helping to build a housing project. I suspect that sometime during the Minneapolis convention, we'll be seeing Obama helping little old ladies across the street and, yes, healing lepers, and performing other assortments of good and magical deeds, just short of raising the dead (of course, they might surprise me) as only He can do. The fix is in..

In 1992, the Democrats broke with the tradition of letting the other party have all the attention during the week of its convention by employing an Orwellian-like Truth Squad, and by showing images of Clinton and Gore wearing hard hats helping to build a housing project. I suspect that sometime during the Minneapolis convention, we'll be seeing Obama helping little old ladies across the street and, yes, healing lepers, and performing other assortments of good and magical deeds, just short of raising the dead (of course, they might surprise me) as only He can do. The fix is in..

As a Jewish citizen of America, I am deeply offended by your comparison of Obama to Hitler. Will Obama Declare war with all of Europe and exterminate all non-african-americans in the country? I hardly think so. Please take your anti-semitism elsewhere

All these one sided comments are absolutely ridiculous. You all attack Obama because you claim he "lacks substance" whatever that means, yet the only arguments are he is arrogant, or he speaks to well, or he is too good looking to be trusted....where is the substance in your attacks? You have none. On the other hand, G. Bush II is the most arrogant president in recent history, and you all probably would kiss the ground he walks on. By the way, I have little hope of this post every actually being "approved" by the site owner.

As a Jewish citizen of America, I am deeply offended by your comparison of Obama to Hitler. Will Obama Declare war with all of Europe and exterminate all non-african-americans in the country? I hardly think so. Please take your anti-semitism elsewhere

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 05:11 PM.

I hope you are right. I really do. I pray that you are right. But I know that G-D's will be done! I have seen it is the past, even when it bruised me personally.

Just as you say, all this will transpire. It won't work. Rather than achieving the goal of mass "He's the One", Matrix redux rapture, it will have the unintended but predictable consequence of scaring the crap out of white middle class voters everywhere, and rightly so.

To Rob:
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I continue to be amazed at the vitriolic anti-Obama tenor of your articles and responses. As an Antipodean friend of the USA it saddens me to be shown the degree to which your Conservative fans continue to support policies and attitudes that have so obviously failed your great nation. Your social capital has been exhausted by the rampant greedy individualism that those political attitudes have encouraged, and great tracts of your population are now living in Third-World conditions of despair and penury because of this. Your currency is on the skids as a result as your few remaining friends around the world begin to doubt your ability to service your monstrous debts. Your present leaders persistently support the wrong regimes abroad for all the wrong reasons and then express amazement and hurt at the reaction of the world which disputes those values. And the clumsy Conservative solution to this catalogue of failure is to redouble the unaffordable and inglorious commitment to national paranoia and war while appealing to Biblical history in support of those national myths.

If Obama represents change, then roll on the day! On this side of the Pacific we've become desperate to see you get out of your ditch and back on the rails while there's still the time. All of you, and the rest of us, deserve better than what your Conservatives have landed the world with. Abraham and Moses would agree, as too would Christ and Mohammed and Buddha and all the great human and divine sages of the past. Isn't it high time your leaders tried to put some of their old-fashioned "liberal" policies into action in America?

Rob, please catch up in the American Thinker archives for the substance you desire. Talk to you when you have digested even a small portion of the content here.

patrick, the American experiment has mostly been ruled a success. We have created, nurtured and continue to perfect the greatest society that has ever existed. We appreciate your concern, but we are doing quite nicely, thank you.

Patrick, individualism is what built this country. Conservatism has never failed. Why don't you point out one that has failed? Lower taxes? Small government? Individualism? Freedom? Self respect? Self reliance?
Socialism fails every time it is tried. Please do some research. I think you must be referring to Europe.

I do wish the McCain campaign will liven up. There are so many of us Democrats who despise Obama and want to help McCain win. But he has to help himself! His campaign is so droll, so uninspiring and that is frightening because Obama is nothing more than a media creation. It's almost like McCain's not there! I find myself shaking my head, thinking what is the problem here? Are they afraid of the race card that Obama keeps playing to scare everyone away, to frighten them from questioning what and who he really is? If so, this must stop. It is time to expose Obama for the fake he is and ONLY the McCain camp can do it. We can't take our Democratic party back from socialists if the republicans don't help us! This is like watching McGovern all over again only nobody seems to be fighting back.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
H. L. Mencken

And boy are we going to GET IT if Obama is elected!

Dave and Spider, we sympathise with your patriotic sentiments but wish we could understand the real substance that underlies them. The view from the outside is different. The rest of the world sees a divided society and a political system that creates and perpetuates a deliberate inequality of incomes and wealth. That condition is diagnostic of an immature Third World society consisting of a huge impoverished underclass ruled by a small plutocracy of tax-privileged "winners". History shows that this is an unsustainable condition -- think Rome, France, Iran, Russia, China if history interests you -- and that the mob will eventually assert its power if pushed too far.

The statistics of wealth and income distribution in your country are a grim indicator of future instability when times turn hard, as they are now beginning to do. You now have no further capacity to cut taxes nor can interest rates be hammered down much further to help the economy out of its present morass of debt and rising inflation. You have exported your real jobs and forced your traditional producers of goods to hock their homes to maintain their spending. Since the value of that real estate is now dropping like a stone thanks to the entrepreneurial failures of bankers and brokers -- the plutocratic world beaters of your new economic system -- the recession that system has created will be deep and long.Your new man, Obama, seems to get the message that America has got to change, that its old oil-dependent protectionist ways can't work in an open world where others work harder and longer for less, and where the comfortable God-on-our-side model is evidently bust. Certainly for the time being, and maybe for good.

Believe me, these comments are not meant to be at all derogatory of your country or your people. But only your friends will give you the truth without sparing the discomfort. If you still figure that the Great American Experiment remains a success and that your society is the best that humans can devise perhaps it's time for you to travel around a bit with open eyes. We have lots of our Australian kids working and travelling in America and all of them are appalled at the quality of your health system, your educational standards and your public transport, and they can't fathom why you can't maintain your roads and bridges and infrastructure like the Europeans and Asians do. We also have plenty of your kids and tourists travelling over here, and they can't understand how we manage all those things so well and cheaply without hindering the liberty or the happiness of our own multicultural and intensely democratic society.

All it takes is the strange notion that everybody deserves a "fair go", that the unlucky should be helped by all, and that we're all in this together. Those seem to be the very values that your Obama proclaims and on which your nation was founded. If you go with him you may recover your lost respect and become more like us.

patrick,

Since your post is so long, I will address just one of your observations.

I am appalled by our public school system, too, as are many others who send their children to private school, or homeschool. However, has it never occurred to you that those supporting Obama are the very ones who have made our public school system so abysmal?

In electing Obama, we would be turning over the entire country to those who have ruined our school systems. In fact, many of our ills that you addressed, with the exception of health care (which is very good), can be laid at the feet of Obama's party.

Those of us on this side of the aisle won't support Obama because he is the very embodiment of the creeping socialism that has invaded this country. Socialism, no matter how many times it's tried, and no matter who is in charge, never works.

Welcome Kakypat, and thanks for your remarks. Sorry that my offerings have been so long-winded but we're covering a lot of ground here! And I hope that other readers may find my friendly observations constructively challenging to their views instead of insulting to their intelligence. This is not a condolence site -- a blog like this one needs vigorous debate rather than mutual support if it's to do anyone any good.

I think the fact that the IMF is now knocking on America's door after two long terms of supposedly successful anti-socialism is a powerful indication of the failure I've been stressing. The international auditor only comes in when things have gone truly pear-shaped. That happened to Britain in the bad 1970's and its visit caused a repudiation of the socialist policies that had created the crisis. In your own case it seems that the economic crisis is chiefly the legacy of the excesses that were encouraged by your side of the aisle -- public and private debt expansion at crazily low interest rates. Most of this has been funded by foreigners, many of them "socialists", who enjoyed far lower living standards than your people because they paid their higher taxes uncomplainingly to invest in the future of their world. It's not their countries which are now in peril of economic and social failure. It's the lender who's the success, not the debtor.

As you'd know by observing the state of your civil infrastructure and its public institutions, most of that foreign lending has gone through the entrepreneurial banking system into other areas of your weak economy -- principally the housing and securities markets, both at artificially inflated values. For a while that created the impression that the borrowers were getting richer as share and house values were pushed up by that demand, but it should have been obvious to any rational non-ideologue that it was a fantastic Ponzi scheme. That speculative bubble has now burst spectacularly and you're just left with the debt underlying those assets. It now appears, tragically for your free-market ideas, that you may be forced to socialise those debts just to maintain some stability in your whole financial system. If the huge bailout of Bear Stearns and the impending taxpayer-funded rescues of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac are not "socialist" then I'd ask you how you define the term! And please don't argue that the mortgage lending problems that created this crisis are the fault of the ideological Left. It's time for the policies and people who were truly responsible to be held to account by the public of your country.

Sadly, it appears to the neutral outsider that the folk whose representatives created this unholy mess are the only ones who can afford the few great private schools, universities and medical clinics of which you are so justly proud. The rest of your social infrastructure is grossly under-resourced and inefficient because taxes do not come close to covering their cost. This goes to the heart of the modern American malaise, I feel. Your system and the Conservative ideology that has lately impelled it has chosen competition above collaboration, and the result is now cracking your society apart ever more obviously. As you now descend into a deep, bruising and unnecessary recession, those who suffer the most will again be those whom the recent prosperity passed by. They'll be justly angry, and Obama will inherit their power to change things for the better. You'll have to live with that, and come up with a new Conservative model that really works next time. We wish you much luck.

After re-reading your posts, I now understand why you support Obama. You have a very cynical view of the United States, and you speak of America as though it's doomed.

I couldn't disagree more, which is why I will hold my nose, and vote for McCain, should he need it in my state.

BTW, I don't want the "change" Obama promises. That would surely spell doom for this country. Obama's "change" is very similar to Karl Marx's "change".

How many times have you spent any length of time in this country? Have you ever been here at all? I ask this because your posts sound like they could have been written by the drive-by media, or by Obama, himself.

Lee Cary, patrick...

Congratulations Lee! You seem to have attracted an Obama troll.

Maybe a paid troll at that. ;o)

He's got the Obamasiah stuff down pat.

Nothing in his postings suggests that he's an Aussie.

In fact, if you read his posts, they sound as though the Rev. Farrakhan had posted them himself.

Please...don't let this propaganda remain on this board without it being repudiated.

BTW, this time I'm going to check the "Remember personal info?" box. ;o)

Kakypat -- I hadn't taken you for the type who confuses rational debate with invective, but it seems I was wrong. People who think that a solidly argued challenge to their views is "propaganda" stand in need of a better education than your country has given you. Your response makes "American Thinker" look like an oxymoron. In any case, trolls don't waste time arguing with rude rednecks.

But since you ask, I have spent over 25 years visiting and doing business in America and have one of my sons working in a senior position on Wall Street as we speak. Another one works in London, also in the world of international finance. All of us are multilingual world travellers who have worked hard to earn our university degrees and all of us are citizens of Australia, which you should try to visit one day if you can bear to tear yourself away from the myopia of your present life.

If, that is, you can afford to do so. I note that since we last had a chat on this blog, your Conservative administration has had to announce a set of traditional Socialist policies to rescue your two biggest mortgage lending institutions, Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. It has also had to take on IndyMac, another of your distressed lenders, through a taxpayer-financed bail-out. Before that it had to organise a rescue of Bear Stearns in New York, with an open-ended public underwriting guarantee that will probably be borne by the taxpayer. And of course for as long as anyone can remember your government has supported farmers through the tax system with vast subsidies that have excluded other nations from your markets while undercutting third world farmers' incomes in their own markets. The same thing is done despite your free-trade pretensions to protect many of your manufacturers through tariffs, yet you continue to deprecate Europe's policies as uniquely "socialist".

I'd love to hear your own definition of what "socialism" means if you think that what's happening is somehow different. Or maybe I'm talking cynical propaganda again? Quick, ask the site administrator again to ban my posts before anyone gets infected!

I'm certain that America is not doomed -- there are lots of good people in your country with sensible ideas and good policies who will manage to extricate you from the mess that your side of the aisle has created. Obama and his advisers are some of them. It'll take time but you'll get through this if you accept that change has to come for the good of all.

patrick, I didn't confuse "rational debate with invective". Those on your side of the aisle have a tendency to talk down to others, as though we who don't agree with you are somehow defective. Call me all the names you want, but that won't erase the fact that you are an elitist, and you believe that those who don't agree with you are uneducated "rude rednecks." Your second para proves my point.

If I can afford it? I've spent time in Asia, Europe and Central America. I planned a trip to Australia that was cancelled at the last minute, however I was able to spend some time in the beautiful Cook Islands. My favorite spot is the Caribbean, though...St. John, USVI in particular.

Re: bailouts. Do I like them? Absolutely not! However, this is not a new phenomena with the current administration. Carter bailed out Crysler. Clinton bailed out Mexico, for crying out loud! Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are different to a degree, though. They are already quasi-public entities.

To put the proper perspective on things, bailouts don't occur in the oval office, but in congress. The President doesn't spend money. Congress is charged with that. Which party is in control? Not that it matters...President Bush will sign the dang thing when it gets to his desk.

Though Bush has done some things right, he's not my favorite President.

Again, if Obama is elected, he will take this country further to the left than any prior president, except Carter. If we had wanted a Carter second term, we would have re-elected him.

One more thing...most of us don't appreciate foreigners injecting themselves into our politics, so don't be surprised if some take offense to your criticisms. The day your country is perfect is the day your opinion will matter.

Kakypat, Pattycake, whatever -- since calling me an Obama Troll doesn't count as invective in your book, neither should my generous description of Rude Redneck upset you. So people who disagree with you are elitist? That's a new argument in this debate, and one which hardly flatters you. But let that pass.

I'm alarmed to hear that you form your strong views of the greatness of the USA by comparing it with the Virgin and Cook Islands. Have you also been to Vanuatu and the Maldives? They may further reinforce your opinions of American supremacy. It might be more educational to see how people organise themselves in the older and larger societies around the world rather than going to the resort destinations you mention. Maybe that's threatening to your world view, however. It's hard to find open minded Americans anywhere these days, especially on your side of the fence. I can't quite work out why you find the world so scary that you won't explore it without a battle-fleet behind you, but then I guess you're surrounded by Obama bin Ladens (or is that Osama? there are so many scary types out there that one gets confused), and they're all out to get you in the dark.

I apologise to you and to everybody else on this site if my views of your politics seem uninformed or intrusive to you. My opinions certainly don't matter since I'm not a voter in your country. Nor do I propose to invade you in order to effect the Regime Change that this administration has been so keen to inflict on others. But it may be nice to have a reasonable discussion in this place about some of the alternatives to the model you cling to, if only to test your beliefs by applying gentle and polite stress to them in an open forum. That seems to be the mission of American Thinker though most of its respondents seem to be treating it as a mutual-protection club instead. If you can't deal with critical opinions you have a problem that can only be addressed by hiding down your burrow -- which is not what the rest of the world expects of its once-dominant society.

You simply can't help yourself, can you? Your last posting is dripping with elitist arrogance.

There are other sites such as Daily Kos, Huff Post, and even Obama's own website where you could spend your time. Instead, you spend it at AT. That's why you are an Obama troll. Should I spend my time at the sites I mentioned, I would be considered a McCain troll, which I most definitely am not. Too, I don't feel the need to waste my time at those sites.

If I could bozo you on this site, I would do it. However, I can't so I will have to be content to simply ignore you.

Reply if you must, and I feel sure you will. However, I won't be back on this thread to read it.

Kittycat -- sorry, but you make it so hard to treat you as an equal when all you do is rant and threaten! Talking to you and your tragic Neo-Con cronies is like fishing for big-mouth bass -- flick in a plug and wait for the rise. I'll let you off the hook now to swim back to the bottom of your pond. Take care and have a nice life.

By the way, thanks for those other appalling sites for the trolls of the other side. You people sound as if you want to fight another Civil War! Beats fighting in Iraq when that fun wears off, I guess.

Leave Obama alone. The guy has worked hard for everything he has UNLIKE McCain who was born with a silver spoon and married an heiress. Obama is wonderful in the thousands of TOWN HALL meetings he does every day. He is warm, engaging and thoughtful. I agree he does choose his words carefully in Press Conferences- mainly b/c he knows people like you will attack and mischaracterize everything he says. Get a life.