Obama, Black Liberation Theology and Karl Marx

Great work. The point that hits me hardest is realizing Obama's worldview is rooted in chilhood Islam and Adult "BLT". Has he no moderate voice he can refer to for sanity? He doesn't have the reference point to look at his Church and it's teachings and say "this is crazy". He clearly only quit TUCC for obvious political reasons after the cat was out of the bag.

Hello, Kyle-Anne, good to see you again. It's been a while since you've last appeared on this website.

'Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation.'

Yet another pro-collectivisation politician. His ideology is 1970s vintage, and was countered by Thatcher's individualist, pro-free-market ideology. Until Obama rejects the collectivist ideology, he cannot hope to win a Presidential Election. No one's going to vote for a guy who, like his British socialist pals, is trying the failed policies of the 1970s (a miserable decade for both Britain and the US).

"will we, in a massive protest of impatience with God's way, choose to put our hope in the people, the movement, the collective salvation offered by Obama and his liberation theologians?"

... a year after the Italians elected a Catholic Conservative, and two years before the Brits elect the party of Thatcher once again? But you're not counting in one factor: that most Americans do not profess the habit of electing a president who despises their country. That's because, for 4-8 years, a President of the US personifies his country. Unique among Western leaders, the POTUS is both the chief of state and the chief of the government. He's the only supreme leader of the American people - there is no Prime Minister. So most US voters do not assign that role to a guy who, like his wife and his pastor, despise the US.

"When it comes to facing God on one's own judgment day, there is no hiding in groups, no "collective" anything."

True! You can't say to God, 'it wasn't me who failed - it was our group who failed.' You can't say, 'I'm not the culprit - my friends from my group are the culprits because they haven't helped me.' And blaming something on someone else would amount to lying, i.e. violating the 8th Commandment.

And it is probably this Divine rule of individual responsibility from which the American individual responsibility laws stem. The US (unlike the USSR, the 3rd Reich or the PRC) was established by Christians, that's why they've made all Americans (their contemporaries and future generations) responsible for themselves, their children and their grandchildren.

As Jeff Lukens has noted, equal opportunity, individual responsibility, a free-market economy, a limited government and a strong military are the components that have led to America's success.

The UK, governed by the Labour Party (which is agog with Obama), has chosen a different way: massive welfare, a giant government, taxpayer bailouts for irresponsible lenders (like Northern Rock), a government-controlled economy, 2000 British regs, 120000 EU regs, and a weak military. In other words, British socialists have undone the policy of Margaret Thatcher. This has resulted in growing unemployment, a debt equal to 120% of GDP, a high number of Britons fleeing Britain for the US, high prices for everything, and an annual budget deficit equal to 4% of GDP. And Obama wants to replicate the policy of British socialists!

"Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, not divine, but demonic." - True. And that's not just because such politics is evil. It's also because politicians who propagate it are like Lucifer, because like him, they present themselves as 'alternative saviours', 'viable alternatives to God'.

When tempting Eva, Lucifer said to her, 'why should you count on God? Count on me. God doesn't need to save you, I can too.' But this has proven itself to be a fallacy. Now politicians like Obama are saying, 'You don't need a Divine saviour, you can be saved by a human messiah too.'

BTW, Stalin did not need to court anyone. He was a dictator all the time from 1924 (when Lenin died) to 1953. Stalin never campaigned for any office. To remain in office, he was continously oppressing the opposition AND members of his own party. Yes, the same people who helped the CPSU seize Russia (like Tukhachevsky) were executed by Stalin, who conducted several purges.

'one of the most stringent and murderous thrusts of Soviet Communism was its campaign against religion'
Yes and the German Nazi regime was also anti-Catholic (despite being earlier voted into office by Catholic German lawmakers).

Good to hear from you again, Ms. Shiver! I enjoy your essays the most. That being said, as usual, every word you speak is the truth. I'm living it. I work for a federal agency that is made up of over 80% African-Americans, because the Director who selects new employees is Rev Pfleger in female form. We all get along, black and white, for the most part, but those of us now in the minority have noticed an underlying contempt from the majority to the minority. We have no recourse, because it is nothing overt. However, I do find it interesting that over the last 6 months, only whites have been terminated from employment For Cause, when there are just as many incompetent blacks who work with me. We have no voice. We don't fight back, we just disengage. The environment I work in can be very toxic. Why do I stay? Because I won't let racist people force me out of a job I greatly enjoy that pays well, not in this economy. What's the answer? Not Obama. We (the minority) are all in agreement if BO gets elected POTUS, things will get far worse.

Thank you Kylie ( sorry for getting your name wrong last time I commented) again. Very informative. Who and why Obama is who he is, surely needs to be better understood. Saul Alinsky argued the most effective means are "whatever" will meet the desired ends. Obama used religion to meet a desired end. Change to whatever. Change and believe in me, your new savoir. Obama's messiah status isn't by mistake. I'm confident his halo will choke him. McCain need not worry about motivating the religious right. Obama made his beliefs and church an issue by trying to pry religious followers away from the right. Keep up the good work. Not only is race being discussed but Marxist ideology gets revisited. Good stuff for people to learn and discover what we don't want to "change" into.

Thank you Kyle ( sorry for getting your name wrong last time I commented) again. Very informative. Who and why Obama is who he is, needs to be better understood. Saul Alinsky argued the most effective means are "whatever" will meet the desired ends. Obama used religion to meet a desired end. Change to whatever. Change and believe in me, your new savoir. Obama's messiah status isn't by mistake. I'm confident his halo will choke him. McCain need not worry about motivating the religious right. Obama made his beliefs and church an issue by trying to pry religious followers away from the right. Keep up the good work. Not only is race being discussed but Marxist ideology gets revisited. Good for people to learn and discover what we don't want to "change" into.

Two very well researched articles. You've reached beyond the superficial disgust we feel for Rev. Wright's remarks and showed the philosophical underpinnings that Americans must become aware of before they vote in this election. Obama is a great speaker, and he has wisely kept hidden his true agenda, the change he is seeking -- a complete revolution that would transform America into another socialist state. And I don't think most of his passionate supporters are aware of that yet. I'm pretty sure even John McCain doesn't realize the extent of Obama's agenda. What can be done to make the true issues in this campaign better known? And how do we get McCain to articulate an effective counter to a really smooth, high-sounding message that is full of poison for the America we have all cherised?

What if we all have an individual responsibility to work for the common good, the collective? What if heaven doesn't begin until we all get to go there. This of course means that we work untiringly for the conversion of everyone, offering forgiveness to the hardhearted until their hearts change, no matter how long that takes. If we, collectively, are the body of Christ, aren't we responsible for each other. Or do we bear the mark of Cain, who said, "Am I my brother's keeper?"

Well done!
I know something about learning. I know it is difficult to teach because it difficult to learn how to learn.
If Obama wins (though we should work tirelessly to defeat him), it is because some Americans do not fully believe conservative assertions regarding applied Marxist thinking. That is, Marxist (Black Liberation) ideology will not make America a better place.
But, I would rather have a radical implementing their radical ideas than a moderate. It is important for the "undecided" to see unambiguously the consequences of collectivist thinking tied directly to the ideas themselves--though it will be a painful educational moment for us all.

"What if we all have an individual responsibility to work for the common good". Fr Robert J Sipe, If I am not incorrect in my thinking, people who work hard for themselves serve others best. For example, if I were a farmer and worked tirelessly(selfishly)to increase my yields, aren't I providing more food for my fellow man and therefore serving him best?

Great article! I enjoyed your analysis of Black Liberation Theology and why it is antithetical to Jesus Christ's example. Jesus looked at the heart of a man, not his color. As a Christian there is one standard and that is Jesus Christ.
Robert there is a collective body of Christ and fellowship is extremely important, but our collective salvation can only be brought about when each individual in that collective chooses to follow Christ. I am called to love my neighbor by Christ. I see nothing wrong with our leaders encouraging us to serve others, but when politicians demand it for the sake of our collective salvation they have missed the mark! Nothing someone else does for me will save me. Only by accepting Christ into my heart can I be saved.

Ms. Shiver, Another masterful work!

While it is Barry and Michelle's ideology I object to and not their skin color, the demagogues of class envy and America hatred with whom they have surrounded themselves will predictably use race as the doomsday device of retaliation against those of us who wish to question Obama's suitability and qualification to be POTUS.

Barry and Michelle's hidden socialism and adherence to Black Liberation Theology directly threatens the dream of individual effort delivering upward mobility that all but the laziest of Americans share (why else would 12+ million Mexicans break our laws to labor here?). The dishonesty and vacuity with which they offer "hope" and "change" (while masking their hatred of status quo America) is deeply troubling. These pampered Ivy League educated elitists really believe America must be deconstructed and remolded to fit their distorted (Noam Chomsky, Cornel West, James Cone) hate America ideology. Our long established meritocracy will be trashed by that duo with redistribution of hard earned wealth via taxes and profligate expansion of wasteful socialist entitlement spending and regulation. All explained to the proletariat masses (the ends justifying the means) as improving the collective good. Simultaneously they will block energy production, embrace their fellow international totalitarian ideologues and regulate away the free exercise of the rights codified in our Constitution by the Bill of Rights. Only time will tell if "President Obama" will irreparably alter our society for the worst and fiscally ruin this country. The bumbling Jimmy Carter did considerable damage in just four years. It will at minimum be an uncomfortable time to be a wage earner with upward aspirations.

If you think the war in Iraq is expensive, stand-by for the rehash the Great Society under the Obamunists' (aided by useful idiots Ninnny Pelosi and Hair-lip Reid). B. Hussein Obama's legacy may be the destruction of the very freedom that Soviet Premiers from Stalin through Gorbachev couldn't accomplish in open ideological competition.

While some say Obama is only the second coming of Jimmy Carter, I perceive a more vile undercurrent in the people he surrounds himself with--just ask David Horowitz how many of his former comrades and one time fellow-travelers are already in high positions throughout the Obama campaign. We have a frightening confluence of the worst corrupt Chicago politics with the reemergence of the re-branded totalitarian freedom haters of the Third Way.

Assuming McCain comes up lame and November brings a blood-letting for the current clutch of RHINOs in Congress, America will be lucky to only suffer four and not eight years of a Charles Taylor or Robert Mugabe regime. With divine intervention the damage may be constrained to no worse than Mexico's experience under the corrupt and inept Ernesto Zedillo.

As the commenter above noted, the bureaucracy will become intolerable when the Obama govt takes over. His word "disengage" fits how I have been behaving in recent yrs. No one wants to be called a bigot and I sense that what is exciting the Obama supporters is the opportunity they see for bigtime payback. Look at the video of his "acceptance" address the other night and see all the silly girls with their cellphones.

It's time to get serious about our country's survival as a constitutional republic! I have 20 yrs experience as an election official and have learned that success as a minority (racial and political)comes from not giving your adversary as reason to vote. In other words, do not get into unnecessary arguments with family/workmates that will motivate them to vote and get others to vote for the WRONG candidate. Be careful what you say and to whom you say it. Identify those who think like you do and work with them to bring about electoral success. Most of all, support your LOCAL candidates.

One of the function of religion is to serve as a bulwark against the moral relativism required by the socialist state, which explains the antipathy towards religion of Marx and his materialist intellectual heirs. The Left's failure to abolish religion has led to something far worse--the Religious Left, which is best seen as a form of heresy that perverts Christian theology with Marxism and promotes moral relativism.

Ms. Shiver doesn't seem to be familiar with David Garrow's "The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr." (New York: W. W. Norton, 1981), which reports that King said "We are engaged in the class struggle" [p. 214] and that the FBI has a classified document reporting that King told his principal adviser and "secret" Communist Party member Stanley David Levison that he was a Marxist. King's was clearly not your old time religion.

I was saddened that Fr. Sipe, a man of the cloth, used "What if's" in his message. There is no "what if" about heaven in Scripture. Some will get in; some won't. Certainly Christ calls, "Whosoever will, come to me;" but, despite his call and our best efforts, some will not come.

There's an old Jewish saying that if you want to conquer an enemy---sing their songs. Marx brilliantly, cynically co-opted The Beatitudes at the core of Christ's teachings. Nietzche declared God dead and philosophically proposed a secular Superman---a Caesar with the heart of Christ---to benevolently rule the world. This is one of the tenets of St. Karl's twisted Utopian theology.
The cagey, parsitic HIV virus cleverly slips by the vigilant guardians of the immune system by changing its outer protein coating to mimic a friendly organism, then, once safely inside, to mercilessly consume its hapless host. In WWII, Nazis infiltrated American lines in stolen uniforms, Jeeps, chewing bubble gum and speaking perfect colloquial American English. The MPs busted them by asking everybody, even Generals, who approached their posts 'Who's pitching for the Yankees in Game 2 ?' or 'Who's Popeye's girlfriend ?' Stuff every real GI would know. There was no mercy, maleafactors were summarily executed.
The vulnerable American body politic has been compromised. It's elapsed over a century---but the patient proverbial snail climbs Mt. Fuji ever so slowly, and its about to plant its flag on our sacred Capitol summit. They're here and choosing bright red drapes for their 'legally' purloined White House. They regard America as a mistake, a rogue state---an anomaly---that they will re-constitute and end global class struggle once and for all. Thank you Kyle-Anne oh so much. Bless your wonderful, faithful American intellect. The ideological struggle of the 21st century has begun.

If Barak H Obama is elected our president,except for a number of rich liberals,we'll have a nation of sorry fools.

Great truth. My question is how come only some 35 million people voted? Where ar the others? Don't they care what happens to them, their children and their children? Why don't they use THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE? I live in a town of 140,000 people but only 15,000 voted in the democratic primary.Why is it that people don't care what happens to them and their country? How can that be? How can people be that blind when the writing is on the wall?

As a Catholic growing up in a subdivision of Chicago all of the priests and nuns I had teach me always showed me the evil of Marxism.
They told me one cannot be a believer in Christ and a communist.
That teaching seemed sane to me and stays with me at age 70.
I will not accept Obama as president. If he becomes so I will continually fight him and his administration. Truly as an American I can do no less.
Semper Fi

Ms. Shiver -
This article, combined with Part One, states all the reasons why Obama should NOT be president, and in a sane, reasoning society would not even be a serious candidate. It also, however, points out the biggest difficulty in defeating him: we have become so attuned to 'PC' terminology, that we can't use the terms 'black hate' even though that is EXACTLY what we are up against.

Defeating Obama will not be easy - it will have to be done by demonstrating how his policies will destroy the very fabric that our country was founded upon: you work for what you can earn. You treasure what you earn and produce. You trash what is handed to you without effort.

I have a friend who, although an Obama supporter, told me recently, "this will never become a socialist country." We are already on our way; if Obama 'ascends' to the White House, we will be that much closer to being known as the USSA.

How can this man be stopped? The MSM positioned McCain as the Republican candidate and has annoited Obama. McCain is far from an ideal candidate; yet standing next to Obama's ideology he's a tower of virtue.

Thank you, Ms. Shiver, for your efforts to educate America. It's a sorry note that this must be done - that people have to be told the obvious lessons from the history that isn't being taught. Your columns are one reason why we support AT!

Kyle-Anne,
Now I know why you haven't been around lately. You had to plow through a lot of hate literature to do your sterling research. That must have been excruciating. Great article, as usual. Kudos from your Long Island alpha male buddy.

With all due respect to Father Sipe,

The United States of America is a sovereign country, made up of individuals under a Constitution and the rule of law.

The Church is the collective Body of Christ on earth. The United States is not now, nor will it ever be, the "collective Body of Christ."

Pope Benedict XVI has given many pages to explaining the difference between Christian charity, which is absolutely required of believers, and collective salvation earned by way of voting for socialist policies. Salvation is individual; tying counterfeit collective redemption to Christianity is heresy.

I prefer to stand with the Pope, rather than with Fr. Pfleger or Fr. Sipe.

What I struggle with is getting this message in fewer words, and in a format that does not require reading. Most people are just too busy with life to read, much less read articles of this length.

The internst is a powerful tool, but the MSM still has huge control of the message by way of access to the people.

I stumbled into this via a link. I am stunned. I wondered if I was the only one to sense this; I am glad to find you. On the way home from a recent trip to Germany, I read a new history of the rise of Hitler; the parallels with the current campaign were startling. Hitler's political advisors, along with Hitler himself, made a conscious effort in the campaigns of 1932/33 to rely on broad, vague statements, and to avoid specific policy discussions. This rang a bell, as I had heard from Obama "doorknockers" that they were instructed to avoid policy discussions, to refer everyone to the website (which contains nothing of substance more than sweeping cliches), and to concentrate on the big themes of the campaign. When I read of Hitler's strategy, I shuddered. Thanks for a great article.

It is more than obvious that Oboma has become a Cult leader of Marxism on the left of America , Welfare lovers , Colleges , The Stupid , The Naive , Hollywood , The Media and Blacks as well .
After all many on the far left say Socialism/ Marxism Idealism's is Right but the old crude Players back then got it wrong but Marxism is a must for this worlds future .
Then was not the time but now is ? Wrong !
That's funny Cuba , Venezuela , China (until 8 years ago ) and N, Korea economics and quality of Lives never have worked
as did Russia Eastern Europe until now when Capitalism came to those countries .

This article speaks of the words of Mr. Obama but he gives no details about his message. He encourages the young idealists (college kids) to forgo making money and to work for the "good" of the state. The bolsheviks, Marx, Lenin, and Stalin all preached the same. Hitler had the "youth" "volunteering" and working in communities. The overthrow of the Shah of Iran was conducted by the Ayatollas when they convinced the "youth" the state was corrupt. If the people do not see the suppression of christianity and the suppression of teaching personal responsibility to our "youth" then it may well be too late. When you see school kids being called "brown shirts" or "youth brigades" or wearing like uniforms it will be too late. It is time now to stand up and risk being called a racist, xenophobe, and all the other labels the liberals apply to people who speak out.

"But Obama's attempts to distance himself now from Trinity, Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan and Cone mean nothing to me. He can, in my mind, no more disown them now, than he could months ago."

So true! Obama may find that speech he made a few months ago, the one that was so well-received in the media, was a huge mistake. It will come back to haunt him. It puts the lie to everything he says now.
Those books he's so proud of? They reveal him as well. More and more people will learn about him as the months go by and the race heats up. Of course we will all be bigots if we don't vote for him but such is life.
His supporters are ready to attribute any loss to the so-called Bradlee effect, where people tell pollsters one thing and do something else in the voting booth. Proof, in the Leftist mind, of our innate bigotry.
All those caucus states that he won? Most were red states. They didn't reflect the desires of most voters within the state. The revisionist history that is bound to come out of this election should be great reading. Michelle Obama will cease being proud of her country. Gee!

Black Liberation Theology? I for one am tired of the whining by the black community. I am referring to the community that perpetuates race as a tool for political and financial gain. Like the boy who cried wolf it falls on deaf ears. I have no interest in ones race at all. I could care less. I judge by actions. I would vote for a black Reagan in a heartbeat. It is ideology, not race I consider. if Obama and his ilk think I am going to buy into reparations for something my forefathers did he can jump in a lake. Deaf ears here Obama. Not happening. In fact, what in the heck do they mean by liberation? Liberation implies captivity. I tell you what, you free to go Obama. Move anywhere your want, I hereby declare you liberated.

Barack Obama, in his attempts to characterize himself, has succeeded.

He is a man who will say whatever is expedient at the time.

For Barack Obama, who sat in the pews at Trinity for twenty years, and donated thousands of dollars to it, to claim he knew little about what we all now know was preached there leaves only three possibilities:
1. He is a blithering fool if he truly did not know.
2. We are blithering fools
if we believe Obama.
3. Obama is a liar, even by the low standards upon which politicians are judged.

I can only repeat the accolades of the above comments and it is really refreshing to see reasoned response to an outstanding piece of work. This in contrast to the Liberal sprays of spittle when confronted with reasoned discourse, particularly if it displays their ignorance.

Bravo, Bravo Kyle Anne.

As you can see from my sign-in I live in one of the more intense areas of our country's Bible Belt. I was diagnosed and treated for lung cancer beginning in Nov. 2005. At that time I was told repeatedly that I was on the "Prayer Lists" at an astounding number of churches in this area. (incidently, it is almost 4 years later and I am still here, God and good people do work miracles)
Where I am going with this is that there are lot of churches in this area and they are active (full parking lots speak eloquently) yet they seem to be silent at this time and particularly regarding HBO.
I would have thought that I would hear definite H B Obama "noise" whether pro or con in content. Obama's candidacy is a religous issue. His potential ascension to POTUS is a threat to our entire Judeo-Christian basis of Law and Life.
Where is Pat Buchanan, Hagee, and others of the Evangelical and mainstream christian pulpits of the Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, etc, etc. One would think they are aware of the threat that Liberation Theology and HBO poses.

Can it be that PC and the IRS have so intimidated our christian bretheren that the pulpits are in fact silent.

If this in the case, Kyle-Anne has performed a much needed public service. Wake up all.

This needs to "Change"

PC is Thought Control.
LEE

Fr Sipe:

You wrote;

What if we all have an individual responsibility to work for the common good, the collective? What if heaven doesn't begin until we all get to go there.

Oh good grief. What if Not? Your "what ifs" lack Biblical basis, and amount to no more than a tactic to create doubt in minds of people given to emotional response.

As an athiest, I reject Obama's "liberation theology" as well. I can read history and see that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is the path to the greatest good. Some find happiness in serving others; some find happiness in being creative; some find happiness in getting rich; some never find happiness. But in the end when the majority of the people respect each others' right to pursue happiness in his or her own way without infringing on the rights of others, the overall quality of life improves. When politicians FORCE you to live your life in service to others and the State, the overall quality of life declines. This has been demonstrated over and over.

Thank you for this article. Two works that led to my understanding of Capitalism verses/facism/socialism/communism and any other ism's that hate God and man are:Bastiats, "The Law",and Ayn Rands "Capitalism,The Unknown Ideal". I thank God for these people and you as well, that can open our minds.

Thank you for a wonderful article. I have been following this disturbing candidate since his announcing his candidacy here in Springfield, Illinois, and have been reading up on black theology since then, anti-American and anti-Christ to the core. Robert Bork's "Slouching Towards Gomorrah," though it has been written over a decade ago, spoke at length of these perversities. Many thanks again for your column, and we thank the good Lord for the remaining sane unshakeable people of sound mind out there.

ty for being honest. On June 18, 2008, a young man named Larry Sinclair will stand in Wash DC & tell his story. He had gay sex and crack cocaine with Barack as did for sure that he knows 3 other men. The 3 other men are all dead. Killed Nov 07 & 2 in Dec 07.

Thats how barack cleans up his problems. You see he lied in his book more than once.
We can't let this man become our president. PLEASE pray for Larry that he stays safe until this gets out to the people www.larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com

the media wouldn't pick up the story thanks Vickie

Ms. Kyle Anne Shiver desrve the currently unavilable Congressional medal of Bravery in Journalism. Being one of a kind, she explains the Obama syndrome, fairly, objectively and with a uniquely American point of view. The MSM has been recruited to the P.R office of the Obama operations. The last place to learn anything about the true Obama is by reading the made up balony cooked up by the Gucci journalists of Newsweek, the NY Times, Washington Post, all cadres of the Chicago crowd. It is 1976 all over again. When the lesser known man of faith Jimmy Carter ran for office, the media was determined to unseat President Ford. I fear, no matter how good the journalistic exposes of the few brave writers like Ms. Shiver, by default, Obama will waltz in with the Putney Swope entourage to 1600 Penn. Karma has a price.

Thank you Kyle-Anne for such thoughtful articles. I, like some of the others who post here, often wonder why something so obvious as Obama's steeping in Black Liberation Theology and his desparate search for identity which has been nurtured by so many marxists and socialists is ignored by the vast majority of US citizens.

The last time I posted it never made it permanently to the forum so I am putting these short comments out there to see if I can be admitted to this discussion group. I would love to be included.